Monday, January 09, 2006

Et tu, Mama, También?

Also, while we're talking about movies, I have to have a little rant that's been brewing inside for quite a while. WHY is it that for the past few years, whenever you ask someone to name a sexy film, they almost inevitably say, "Y Tu Mama También?"

Don't get me wrong, it was a fine piece of film making. And the actors were nice eye candy. But why do people think it's the uber-sexy film of all time? Was anyone actually watching during the sex scenes that were in that movie? Sure, they hinted at a threesome, but you never saw that. And the two sex scenes that you DID see were both awful, bumbling first-sex attempts by the two virginal young men, and the filmmaker shows that they orgasmed so fast that the woman didn't even get any satisfaction.

One of the things that I find especially funny is that so many macho straight man types say the film is really sexy, when in fact the only really sensual moment is when all three of them are dancing together and then the woman gets the two men to kiss. After the fade out, they wake up and she's not even around. So, WAS it a threesome? We don't really know. And while certainly, if they were able to manage to overcome the premature ejaculation thing with each other, I'm certain they had a nice, sexy time together, it definitely makes you wonder what straight guys are referring to in the film as being hot. Is there some secret, Brokeback Mountain thing going on inside all men, hmmmm? Or maybe they find the whole wham-bam, leave the chick unsatisfied thing sexy. But based on the men I've known, I doubt most men would feel good about that.

Anyway, PLEASE. Let's get over this film already. Everyone can stick to the other two common standards these days instead: Secretary and Amelie. Which at least were more legitimately sexy than Y Tu Mama.

What would be your vote for best on-screen sex (porn excepted)?

Some that I thought were notable that you don't hear about much (though I also liked Secretary, but everyone says that):

Robert Downey, Jr. and Heather Graham in Two Girls and a Guy
David Wenham and Susie Porter in Better than Sex (all of it's good, but I liked the bathtub scene the best)
And a good "sex that wasn't sex scene": The conversation in the car/parking garage in Laurel Canyon

Tell me yours.


Anonymous Joe said...

This is a tough one as the only scene that comes to mind is far from fantastic, it barely relates to the plot and I really don't think it'd be missed in the movie as a whole. The scene being between Vassili & Tania in "Enemy at the Gates." Again, not very stellar. I can't even think of a "sex that wasn't sex scene."

1/10/2006 3:44 AM  
Blogger Miss Syl said...

I've never seen that one. What happens in it?

1/10/2006 11:15 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Nothing much, kissing and slight movement under blankets in a bunker full of Russian troops. Not exciting, not even that great to watch but it sticks in my mind for some reason which I will one day figure out.

1/11/2006 1:27 AM  
Blogger Dante Hunter said...

Straight men will tell you that "Y Tu Mama TambiƩn?" is the planet's sexiest film because it's foreign and supposedly hot and we think this opinion will impress women. Hell, even being able to pronounce the name right should be worth something, no? Said woman, now impressed, will consequently now want to sleep with us. We're simple & stupid like that.
Do I think it's sexy? Well, not really, but you're right, the scenes that held the most sexual tension were between the guys. And any of the "sex scenes" were only good in the sense that they were very real (in contrast to porn) but not that the sex was hot. "Secretary" was the polar opposite: much sexier, but the movie itself was kinda crap aside from it's orginal subject matter for semi-mainstream movie.
Did "Quills" have an actual sex scene in it? I remember it being sexy & a good film, but I haven't seen it since the theater and I can't recall now.

1/13/2006 2:27 AM  
Blogger Miss Syl said...

I've only seen bits and pieces of Quills on cable, and none of them involved full-on sex, though I do remember Geoffrey Rush kissing some woman and biting her lip really hard (was it Kate)? I stayed away from that movie because I'd heard it was so bad. Though anything that even remotely involves sex and Kate Winslet is good with me. I'll even watch Titanic for her. I think I like her best because she's the hollywood actress with breasts and a body that looks closest to a real woman's--natural curves, and no implants. She's luscious. Though I hear she's gotten scarily skinny lately.

Hm, well maybe it is sexy to hear a guy speak Spanish. But I'd rather have a guy who told me what he really thought was sexy on film, so I could get a better picture of what he really likes in bed (or at least what he fantasizes about, which isn't necessarily the same thing). You know, you're right about Secretary. The sexual tension and spanking scenes were great, but that pretty much carried the film--the stuff around it wasn't all that good. But you do tend to forget because the strong scenes are so strong. And I still liked it better than Y Tu Mama.

1/13/2006 9:12 AM  
Blogger Anastasia said...

I wouldn't say it was an erotic film, nor a pornographic film. The cut off scenes, were probably done that way to leave more to the imagination. What is considered 'hot sex' on the other hand? The type that is in XXX rated porn? It can be hot, depending on the mood, but sometimes it's not hot if one isn't in the mood.

This film captures the bravado of young males, particularly Latino males, and throughout, there was this ambience of machismo, because it's part of that culture. What got me, particularly during the beginning was the prevalence of missionary position sex but I then thought, that it perfectly expressed the 'innocence' or inexperience rather, and the male bravado that came with it, which was expressed in a scene where one of the males says to the woman that his girlfriend isn't 'screwing Italian males' - that's the naive aspect, and she laughed.

So no, not a sexy film, but I liked the part where the 'older woman' was frustrated with the naive attempts of the younger males, it shows that real element as well - premature ejaculation, as well as raise a pivotal issue regarding premature ejaculation, as being a result of mastubatory conditioning, where she says that they need to cut down on the masturbation because they were, in short, training themselves to cum too quick.

I think Tambien, is an ideal movie (not so much for the sexually experienced) for sexually curious people, namely those who have experienced first and second base, and want to go on third. It's educational in that way, but no, not erotic, but more affectionate or warm.

This movie differs from 9 Songs, Anatomy de l'enfter and other vivid sexual films (which actually depict real sex, but in a mainstream, not porn setting), shows that other element.

But yeah, I agree it's not 'the' erotic movie, I don't think it's supposed to be because it touches upon other issues within Mexico, within adolescence and adulthood.

1/23/2006 9:16 AM  
Blogger SwallowedAlive said...

This has me straining to remember a good sex scene. In Irreversible, in a tilting-spinning world, the director takes extreme focus on moments of brutality to include killing, beating, rape and when it comes to the actual lovemaking . . . the film lets you down-it glosses over it like many films tend to do. Sex and Lucia had some erotic tones and is one of the sexier movies I can remember but it's not the sex that I recall, it's the character's (and the way she'd cum by yelling 'Me Meuro! Me Meuro!') clumsy attempts to interact with each other. I will continue to search my inventory for sexiness.

2/06/2006 1:54 AM  
Blogger Miss Syl said...

Swallowed: Yes, I've noticed people seem to be far better at including and filming violence than they are at sex. It's sad.

I've heard many people reference "Sex and Lucia," but that's another one I've seen that didn't do much for me.

Seems the best sex scenes, at least so far, are the pre-sex things--the sexual tension building to the fade out, rather than the actual release. Wish it weren't so, though...

The opening to Betty Blue was pretty intense, I suppose. Forgot about that one.

2/06/2006 11:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just watched "Y Tu, Mama Tambien" for the first time last night, and I found it extremely erotic. Why? Because it features a very attractive woman being sexually very aggressive in a no-strings-attached kind of way. For many men, including me, the idea of being unexpectedly commanded by a beautiful woman to have sex with her at the drop of a hat -- er, towel -- is a big, big turn-on. The effect of this role-reversal is that much more powerful in a film that is quasi-realistic, and therefore somewhat believable, unlike almost all run-of-the-mill porn.

11/09/2006 11:19 AM  

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